Wednesday, March 1, 2017

NATO Fracturing at Manbij? US Reinforces Manbij to Defend From Turkish Attack??

Necessary background since most people still believe Turkey & theUS are lovers. They aren't. Turkey is the betrayed party in the tryst the US is having with Kurdish terrorists. Though Turkey has tried to win back US affection. The US has repelled Turkey in favour of it's new love... (simplistic breakdown) 

Last week Turkey cleared ISIS out of Al- Bab.

Feb.23/2017

By all accounts it was a tough fight. Despite non credible claims of some type of deal being made between Turkey and ISIS... I saw that mentioned in alternative circles but the claims had no sourcing
Dozens of Turkish soldiers were killed supporting Syrian rebels in the fight for Al Bab as the extremists put up fierce resistance, including the use of suicide bombers.
The move had two goals- Clear out ISIS from the border and prevent the joining of the PKK cantons in northern Syria
“The objective of the Turkish intervention in northern Syria is to prevent the joining of the Kurdish cantons of Afrin and Kobani,” said Balanche.
Afterwards information from Turkey indicated they were moving on Manbij:
 There had been no indication from Erdogan that the Turkish forces inside Syria want to rest on their laurels with the taking of Al Bab.
“The US does not want Turkey to march on Manbij,” said Stein.

No they don't.  The US does not want Turkey to march on Manbij. 

Manbij is a problem, from way back, for Turkey. It's also a source of acrimony between Turkey and the US. Along with the coup

The US had made a promise to Turkey that their PKK/YPG terrorists would clear out once they rid the place of ISIS.. But the US had their fingers crossed behind their back and were speaking with forked tongues... because they were NEVER going to ask/make the PKK/YPG terrorists to leave, since, they did not want them to leave - Remaking the region, folks! 
 Been talkin’ this talk for years now.  The US made the promise never intending to keep it because they were plotting the coup and didn't plan on it failing
The Manbij broken promise has been covered here many times, if you are unaware please read:

1-August 16/16 Turkey: US to Keep Manbij Promise? 3 Step Road Map: Assad Stays. Cooperating with Iran & More
Çavusoglu said: "The U.S. and the President Barack Obama personally promised that PYD members in the SDF would be withdrawn to the east of the Euphrates River. Now the U.S. must keep its promise, and we expect them to. We are maintaining our communications regarding this matter."
Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavusoglu reminded U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday that he had personally made a promise to withdraw the Syrian PKK affiliate Democratic Union Party's (PYD) armed People's Protection Units (YPG) to the east of the Euphrates once the Manbij operation finished. 
He said he and Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag will pay an official visit to the U.S. to convey a new document including evidence of Gülen's involvement in the recent coup attempt.
2-August 25/16:Turkey's Move On Syria- Why now? Broken Promises, Coup Fall out, US Elections & Chemical Weapons Meme, Again!

3-November 6/16: Whose Timeline Will Win In Raqqa....

Covered yesterday

Raqqa Revisit- Turkey's Syria Border Wall More then Half Complete

Let’s see how sacrosanct the NATO alliance really is?
If the latest news out of Manbij is any reliable indicator the NATO alliance is not sacrosanct and is as fractured as I’d suspected for some time now- I will keep an eye on the situation and update when I can.

Two reports from this morning (afternoon in Syria and Turkey)

Sputnik: US Sets Up Military Base in Syrian Manbij to 'Defend It From Turkish Attack'

It's an unnamed source- usually I stay away from this, but, the reporting fits with what I know and have written about. It makes sense in the big picture.
"The US is "taking all necessary measures" to defend the Syrian city of Manbij in the Aleppo Governorate, 30 kilometers west of the Euphrates, which is currently under control of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), from an attack by the Turkish Armed Forces and fighters from the Free Syrian Army (FSA), the SDF representative told Sputnik Turkiye.

In particular, he said, US servicemen have set up a military base in the city and are sending an additional contingent there. They are also deploying heavy weaponry and armored vehicles to the area.
The SDF representative further noted that US servicemen will be holding talks with representatives from Turkey and added that the US intends to increase its contingent in Manbij, sending heavy weaponry and tanks there in order to shore up the city's defenses.
Just two days after their meeting with Votel, the US set up a military base in the city to be able to defend it from an attack by Turkish armed forces. The US flag was flown above the base"
Flashback:  Feb 24/17 US Commander Votel in Northern Syria Meeting With PKK/YPG
The top US military commander for the Middle East made a secret trip to northern Syria on Friday to meet a US-backed alliance fighting the Islamic State (IS) group, the group's spokesman said.
In an online statement, SDF spokesman Talal Sello said Votel "visited areas under our (PKK/YPG) control today (Friday) and met with several SDF commanders".

"The results were positive. We discussed the developments in the Euphrates Rage campaign and shared military matters."
He described the meeting as "confirmation of US support for our forces".
 Sputnik article continued...
Flying the flag, he said, is a message, a warning to Turkey that the city is under the defense of the US.
-Is it? 
-Or are the Kurdish forces employing some type of psychological operation?
-Or is it in fact true and we're looking at preparations for safe zones in Syria?
 The US servicemen will also take part in round-the-clock surveillance and patrols in the west and the north of the city to be able to prevent any possible attack.
In addition, he said, armored vehicles under the US flag have been deployed in the north of the city. US servicemen have been also deployed to its western areas. On Tuesday they sent more tanks and armored vehicles to Manbij and promised that the city will also be under the defense of the US-led coalition forces.
 There are reports of clashes between Turkish backed rebels & PKK/YPG near Manbij today:

 Is Turkey testing the waters?  

Or are the PKK/YPG completely fabricating the attack? 

Anything is possible at this time


ANF- kurdish source?

Making the claims of ISIS being involved highly suspicious and very convenient for spin purposes...
Turkish army and gang groups acting under their command have attacked the villages of Gorhîko, Holash and Xalîde, 29 km southwest of Manbij Wednesday afternoon. Manbij Military Council fighters gave an immediate response to the aggression, resulting in clashes which are ongoing.

Simultaneously with this attack, ISIS gangs launched an aggression on the villages of Mesterîhe and Cedîde 20 km southwest of Manbij. Clashes that erupted upon the retaliation of Manbij Military Council fighters are ongoing.
 Reports from the ground suggest that many ISIS members were killed during the fighting and bodies of 5 were seized by Manbij Military Council fighters.
Why would the Kurds seize the dead bodies of ISIS fighters?? Doesn't make sense. Unless they did it so the deceased could not be identified by Turkey's men?

 Morning Star online
 TURKISH proxy forces clashed with Kurdish militia near Manbij in Syria yesterday after Ankara confirmed the northern town in Aleppo province was its next target.

Additional breaking news:
 
The Turkish-backed forces were reported to be making quick progress through villages to the west of Manbij.

 Tough to figure out what is actually occurring- I'll update when possible. Meanwhile if anyone notices any relevant info please leave it in the comment section? Thanks! 

UPDATING: Approx 5:00 pm EST

1-Sputnik

Abdullah Ağar, an anti-terrorism expert and former Turkish special forces operative..
 "The fact that the US keeps sending troops, heavy weapons and armored vehicles to Manbij and establishes military bases in the region clearly indicates that there’s a serious crisis in US-Turkish relations. The US actions aimed at strengthening the YPG positions leave Ankara little room for doubt. Turkey is well aware that sooner or later it will have to enter a direct confrontation with the YPG because it (YPG) poses a mid- to long-term threat to the future, security and the unitary structure of the Turkish state"

2-Russia Ceases Bombing US Allies in Syria After Deconfliction Call - Coalition

The US is very conciliatory- Russia bombed SDF/PKK/YPG thinking they were ISIS and the US is saying - it's on them!

 Operation Inherent Resolve commander Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend

"Yesterday we had some Russian aircraft and regime aircraft bomb some villages that, I believe, they thought were held by ISIS [Daesh], yet they were actually — on the ground were some of our Syrian Arab Coalition forces," he said.
So Russia bombed ISIS but it was really the Kurds- So KurdIShIS then?
The US called and the bombing stopped.
US forces were about four or five kilometers (2.5-3 miles) away when they observed the incident and contacted their Russian counterparts.
"We used that mechanism, and it worked," Townsend said.
However, there were some casualties among the Syrian Arab Coalition, the commander added.
The airstrikes took place in a village near al-Bab, 9-12 miles from Manbij where Syrian Arab Coalition fighters were on the ground.
3-Russia and Syria denied bombing "coalition partners" yesterday. But admit being contacted in as a cautionary measure

The Russian military in Syria had been contacted by their American counterparts, who "expressed concern" that Russian and Syrian aircraft could "carry out an unintended strike" at positions of Washington-backed fighters during an anti-terrorist operation, the Russian ministry said.
"To avoid any incidents, the US representative has provided (present tense) exact coordinates of the US-backed opposition forces in the region to a Russian officer," the ministry said in a statement on Wednesday, adding that the information was "taken into account" by the Russian military.
So the US has now provided Russia/Syria with the coordinates - but the strikes being reported occurred yesterday
 
My question is since when is the US so understanding about Russian or Syrian airstrikes? Townsend acknowledges that Russia and Syria may have thought the Kurds were ISIS.  Russia and Syria deny bombing "coalition partners" (easy enough when you think you're bombing ISIS)

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27 comments:

  1. It is a fact that Turkey was marked for partition in WESTERN (i.e. Zionist) plans for a "new Middle East". So Pennyforyourthoughts is completely correct in identifying this fracture point. I used to distrust the Turks but that was based on Western (i.e. Zionist-satrapies) propaganda.

    I now think the Turks are wise to the Yinon-Greater-Israel-Biden-Which-Path-To-Persia plans of the globalist warmongers.

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    1. thanks for that vote of confidence :)

      It's not an easy stance to have taken and there is so much obfuscation on line - from so called alternatives as well as the msm-

      In my opinion the Turks have been wise to this for a good while now..

      Thanks to the media the discord is carefully hidden in plain site. And there really is no better place to hide this deceit.


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    2. Turkey has been very wise in countering US new ME plan.
      Remember, the US/NATO planned for TR to go to war with Russia. They removed patriots in TR, so that they could watch Turkey lose, and get seriously weakened in preperation for partition.
      The fact that this hasn't happened is a disaster for the US.
      Turkey, and her millitary, are the main threat to US schemes in the ME, that's why the US is terrified of TR, and going to such lengths to smear Turkey.

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    3. I agree Rescue- Rather then Erdogan and company being so called lunatics, though he is prone to venting hot air- Turkey has made very calculated moves- It's obvious for those with eyes to really see. Operation Euphrates Shield was a calculated move and it has so far been successful-

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  2. http://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2074994/french-police-sniper-accidentally-shoots-two-people-during-speech

    Scandal-hit François Fillon stays in French presidential race, but rivals sense openings.Macron has galvanized support among Parisian elites and young people across France, but his vague policy views often alienate voters on both the left and the right.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/scandal-hit-francois-fillon-stays-in-french-presidential-race-but-rivals-sense-openings/2017/03/01/c4666a84-fe72-11e6-8ebe-6e0dbe4f2bca_story.html?utm_term=.7b2969865423

    Change...

    Pro-coup sniper on Istanbul's Bosphorus Bridge
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pro-coup-sniper-on-istanbuls-bosphorus-bridge-tower-shot-dead-during-coup-attempt--.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101904&NewsCatID=341


    22May16: Iraq denies using live fire against Green Zone protesters
    http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN0YD0MN

    http://www.pravdareport.com/world/ussr/ukraine/15-12-2016/136429-yanukovych_maidan-0/

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    1. "The deployment of our group in the Syrian Arab Republic helped solve the geopolitical task of breaking the chain of 'color revolutions' replicated in the Middle East and Africa," Shoigu said at a forum for young diplomats.

      https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201702211050898945-russia-syria-color-revolutions/

      http://www.cnbc.com/2014/10/20/total-sa-ceo-de-margerie-killed-in-plane-accident-tass.html

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    2. Erdogan’s adviser admits success of al-Bab operation impossible without Russia - Sputnik

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    3. US Air Force general points to growing conflict potential in Syrian airspace

      More:
      http://tass.com/world/932674

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    4. The commander of the Operation Inherent Resolve said Moscow had stopped accidental bombing of the US-led coalition's allies after a deconfliction call.
      https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201703011051169000-russia-syria-us-coalition/


      Israelis moving on trifecta: Golan, Gaza and Bank

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    5. anonymous thanks for all the links and yes, Israel will be moving, sooner rather then later- good thing the media, msm and alt, has been covering that nation's tracks..

      I have a few articles to add to this post.

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  3. Well the post has gotten longer- I've added three additonal news stories to the bottom at approx 5:00 pm est

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  4. Hi Penny, I haven't been commenting as much lately as I am busy with work but I still come on to your blog to read your amazing posts. You give me hope in this world that there are sensible, open-minded people. Sadly, I haven't discovered many like yourself. What is the relationship between Turkey and Russia?

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    1. Ally, I was just talking about you!

      I said to hubby, you hadn't been around, but, figured you were busy

      Turkey and Russia? Complicated, that's for sure!
      I'm certain they are mutually using one another to advance their own interests- so they will cooperate when necessary but they will conflict too
      so far it appears to lean towards cooperative
      There are reports Erdogan is heading to Moscow to meet Putin in about a weeks time

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    2. My question is since when is the US so understanding about Russian or Syrian airstrikes?

      Interesting...comment by Herbert Carlisle, head of the US Air Combat Command
      Russian and Syrian militaries had stationed surface-to-air missile systems to protect important facilities. However, he noted that "they are not illuminating" the US "aircraft with any type of target tracking radars or anything like that in large numbers or to any great extent" though "their radars are active."


      Going back to the recent Russian strike around Raqqa and those mistaken coordinates allegedly given to the Russians which Turkey assured was not the case.

      3 Turkish soldiers accidentally killed in Russian airstrike in Syria
      https://www.rt.com/news/376836-russia-turkey-strike-soldiers/


      and deployment 2000 marines, ospreys and cobras just in case

      "US amphibious assault ship Bataan, lead ship of the Bataan Amphibious Ready Group (ARG), has set sail for a seven-month deployment in the 6th Fleet area of operations in Europe and the Middle East, the US Navy said. Bataan ARG carries some 2000 soldiers and equipment from the US Marine Corps 24th Expeditionary Unit," Sputnik


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    3. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201702171050789406-russia-raqqa-daesh-missiles/

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    4. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201702281051118747-turkey-general-staff-erdogan/

      aker 5 meetings dunford

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    5. anonymous: regarding the russian strike hitting the Turks- Rescue and I talked about it- came to no conclusion on what happened

      error
      insider sabotage
      intentional pay back.
      something else

      how are you connecting the airstrikes and US deployment of more troops and equipment

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    6. See Turkish media around Akar? Horizon ahead>

      Turkish military responds to ‘abrasive’ criticisms. Some reports also suggested that Akar personally visited U.S. Chief of Joint Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford at the İncirlik Air Base in the southern province of Adana. The two soldiers met five times in Turkey over the past six months and all meeting places were picked by Akar, sources said.

      http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-military-responds-to-abrasive-criticisms-.aspx?pageID=238&nid=110168&NewsCatID=338


      "I tell you straight, the headline showed rudeness, a lack of character. Neither the newspaper’s management nor the staff have the right to write such a headline. Some legal steps have been taken and we will follow this. Because there is no right and no authority to set state institutions against each other," Erdogan said, as quoted by the Anadolu news agency.The article under the title "Seven Answers to Seven Criticisms" about the Turkish General Staff and Akar was issued by Hurriyet on February 25.Following the wave of criticism the newspaper released a statement saying that it "acted with the motivations of journalism" and the article was not a "coup provocation."


      https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201702281051118196-turkey-erdogan-army-chief/


      Another coordinate run in close call as USAF warning on growing risk in air-zone and a US troop near miss (recalling the Russian taking out that border safe house later revealed to be a US Specop FOB with SBS pulling out 24 hrs before).

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-strikes-on-remote-syria-garrison-alarm-u-s-1469137231

      Convenient to have the NATO AWACS in town to provide no fly "enforcement"
      http://www.defensenews.com/articles/nato-to-deploy-e-3-awacs-to-middle-east-as-early-as-october

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    7. Plan submitted to U.S. administration envisages establishment of 1st 'safe zone' in Syria's western part

      Interfax

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    8. Brigadier Gen. İsmail Güneşer, a top aide of former President Abdullah Gül, was arrested in the southeastern district of Şemdinli in Hakkari for allegedly having links to the coup attempt that was suppressed by the government last Friday after resulting in the bombing of the Parliament and death of many overnight.Güneşer, who is currently the head of the Bolu Command’s 2nd Brigade, served as an aide for Gül between the years of 2008 and 2012.

      https://www.turkishminute.com/2016/07/20/police-arrest-ex-presidents-top-aide-gen-guneser-links-failed-coup-attempt/

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    9. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff visited Turkey’s chief of defense today just a little over two weeks after Akar was kidnapped, drugged and threatened as part of the unsuccessful coup here.

      kidnapped, drugged and threatened as part of the unsuccessful coup here.

      https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/882691/dunford-visit-to-turkey-is-first-by-senior-us-official-since-coup-attempt

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    10. US no fly zone "east of the Euphrates"

      "The U.S. promised that the (Syrian Kurdish) forces within the coalition and democratic forces there would move east of the Euphrates again following the Manbij operation."
      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-manbij-idUSKCN10Q11R

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    11. There has always been this thing about the Kurds being east of the Euphrates- we talked about it way back here- almost as if there was some sort of accepted arrangement between all parties-- but then the US insisted on having their proxies cross the euphrates

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    12. Turkish minute is Gulenist

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    13. Ally "Turkish minute"? Is a Gulenist media outlet?
      I see the link above is that what you are referencing?

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    14. Yes, it is owned by a Gulenist called Abdullah Bozkurt

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    15. Turkish minute is unreliable. Its Gülenist along with Turkey Purge and Turkey untold. The main aim of the outlets is to smear Turkey, as much as ppssible.

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